HM Submarine C-34
HMS C 34 . 17/07/1917
Displacement: 321 grt.
Length: 43.6 m. Beam: 4.1 m. Draught: 3.51 m.
Propulsion: 1 x diesel engine (600 hp), 1 x electric engine (200 hp electric), 1 screw.
Complement: 19 officers and men.
Armament: 2 torpedoes, 2 x 18"/450 mm T.T.
Displacement: 321 grt.
Length: 43.6 m. Beam: 4.1 m. Draught: 3.51 m.
Propulsion: 1 x diesel engine (600 hp), 1 x electric engine (200 hp electric), 1 screw.
Complement: 19 officers and men.
Armament: 2 torpedoes, 2 x 18"/450 mm T.T.
HM Submarine C-34
Submarine C 34 was built at the Royal Navy Dockyard, Chatham in 1910. In 1917 C 34 was attached to HMS Lucia based at Scapa Flow.
The Loss
HMS C34 left Scapa Flow on 16th July 1917 at 19.00 hrs. C 34 was in escort with C 19 and HMS Medusa and was to patrol north of Fair Isle and up to Shetland and act as protection to Lerwick Convoys.
On the 21st July 1917 C 34 was scheduled to meet with C 19 off the NE corner of Fair Isle but C 34 failed to do so. Radio messages were sent telling C 34 to return to base.
On the 22nd July 1917 C 34 was listed as 15 hours overdue. Fair Isle and Sumburgh were asked to keep a lookout. A submarine was sighted but turned out to be C 22.
On the 23rd July 1917 there was a report in the Dutch press that C.34 had been sunk and one survivor, a stoker was taken prisoner.
Edinburgh Evening News - Thursday 26 July 1917
U BOAT SINKS SUBMARINE STOKER THE ONLY SURVIVOR. The Admiralty has issued the following statement: An official wireless communique from Berlin on July 22 states that H.M. submarine C 34 (Lieutenant Ingleby S. Jefferson, R.N.) has been sunk an enemy submarine. The only survivor, a stoker (name not given), has been taken prisoner. All the next-of-kin in both cases have been informed. [The "C" class submarines has a displacement about tons Above water their speed is knots, it is 10 knots. They carry a crew officers and men.]
On the 21st July 1917 C 34 was scheduled to meet with C 19 off the NE corner of Fair Isle but C 34 failed to do so. Radio messages were sent telling C 34 to return to base.
On the 22nd July 1917 C 34 was listed as 15 hours overdue. Fair Isle and Sumburgh were asked to keep a lookout. A submarine was sighted but turned out to be C 22.
On the 23rd July 1917 there was a report in the Dutch press that C.34 had been sunk and one survivor, a stoker was taken prisoner.
Edinburgh Evening News - Thursday 26 July 1917
U BOAT SINKS SUBMARINE STOKER THE ONLY SURVIVOR. The Admiralty has issued the following statement: An official wireless communique from Berlin on July 22 states that H.M. submarine C 34 (Lieutenant Ingleby S. Jefferson, R.N.) has been sunk an enemy submarine. The only survivor, a stoker (name not given), has been taken prisoner. All the next-of-kin in both cases have been informed. [The "C" class submarines has a displacement about tons Above water their speed is knots, it is 10 knots. They carry a crew officers and men.]
U 52
It had been widely documented, in some books and on crew memorials, that the date of loss was 21st July 1917. This was the date the submarine was listed as overdue. It is known that C34 was sunk by U 52 (Kptlt. Franz Krapohl). A review of U 52's KTB (logbook) shows the date of sinking to be 17th July 1917.
U 52 sighted C 34 stopped on the surface and manoeuvred into a position to attack. U 52 fired one torpedo from 500m.
The torpedo struck just aft of the conning tower and C 34 exploded and sunk immediately.
When U 52 surfaced they found, among some wreckage, one survivor, Stoker Frank Scoble K.22307 (Dev) who was recovered and taken prisoner.
On being recovered from the water Frank Scoble said to U 52's commander Kptlt. Franz Krapohl ''You won the game''.
U 52 sighted C 34 stopped on the surface and manoeuvred into a position to attack. U 52 fired one torpedo from 500m.
The torpedo struck just aft of the conning tower and C 34 exploded and sunk immediately.
When U 52 surfaced they found, among some wreckage, one survivor, Stoker Frank Scoble K.22307 (Dev) who was recovered and taken prisoner.
On being recovered from the water Frank Scoble said to U 52's commander Kptlt. Franz Krapohl ''You won the game''.
KTB (logbook) U 52 sinking C 34 with translation
U Boat Grid map showing ''069''
Stories
Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer - Tuesday 14 August 1917
The Fight Between Submarines.
A rather unusual story appeared in the ''Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer'' based on an article in an American newspaper the ''Schenectuckt Gazette''.
The article describes a battle between an unnamed U boat and the British submarine C34 but contains many mistakes.
It claims the action took place of the Frisian Islands but it in fact took place off Shetland. The location in given in both the KTB and also the submarines orders which were to operate off Fair Isle, Scotland.
It claimed the submarine and U boat exchanged gunfire until, after 55 shots, C 34 was hit ''fairly'' and sank. The KTB from U 52 clearly shows C 34 was sunk by torpedo and may not even have been aware U 52 was there as no record of any defensive action.
It claimed the men operating the deck gun were thrown into the water and then one of them recovered. C 34 did not have a deck gun.
Stoker Frank Scoble was taken prisoner and ended up in Germany at Brandenburg prison of war camp.
Edinburgh Evening News - Thursday 26 July 1917
U BOAT SINKS SUBMARINE STOKER THE ONLY SURVIVOR. The Admiralty has issued the following statement: An official wireless communique from Berlin on July 22 states that H.M. submarine C 34 (Lieutenant Ingleby S. Jefferson, R.N.) has been sunk an enemy submarine. The only survivor, a stoker (name not given), has been taken prisoner. All the next-of-kin in both cases have been informed. [The "C" class submarines has a displacement about 320 tons Above water their speed is 14 knots, below it is 10 knots. They carry a crew of 16 officer and men.
U BOAT SINKS SUBMARINE STOKER THE ONLY SURVIVOR. The Admiralty has issued the following statement: An official wireless communique from Berlin on July 22 states that H.M. submarine C 34 (Lieutenant Ingleby S. Jefferson, R.N.) has been sunk an enemy submarine. The only survivor, a stoker (name not given), has been taken prisoner. All the next-of-kin in both cases have been informed. [The "C" class submarines has a displacement about 320 tons Above water their speed is 14 knots, below it is 10 knots. They carry a crew of 16 officer and men.
The Wreck Today.
To date the wreck of the C 34 has not been located. UKHO gave a position in 1983 of 59 51.00N, 01 05.00W.
This area was searched in 1985 with side scan sonar but no wreck was located and gave the comment
''CONSIDERED THAT CONTACT IS NO LONGER CLOSE TO ITS QUOTED POSN, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WRECKAGE HAS MOVED SINCE 1917 IN THE RELATIVELY STRONG TIDAL STREAMS IN THE AREA.''
069 is a large grid square and above Latitude longitude is approximately centre of the grid square.
The Crew - (Research ongoing)
Survivor
Frank Scoble - image courtesy of John Priestley and Gosport Submarine Museum.
Name - SCOBLE Frank
DOB - 20th March 1898
Place of Birth - Cornwall
Parents - Son of Richard Scoble and Katie Terrill
Early History -
Rank - Stoker 1st Class, (Dev) K 22307,
Service History -
Born to parents Richard Scoble and Katie Terrill, Frank was actually registered as John Francis Scoble, born on 20th March 1898 (although all Navy documents and the 1939 register date the year as 1896). The second of 3 children, he had an older brother Richard and younger sister named Edith.
He was recorded on the 1901 census living with his parents and brother Richard in Redruth, Cornwall, aged 3, but by 1911 the family had been separated by tragedy. His mother Kate had died in the March quarter of 1902 (in childbirth?) - with the possibility of their father Richard not being able to cope with 3 growing children, Richard, Frank (as he was known by then) and Edith lived with their Aunt Mary and her large family.
On leaving school Frank worked as a fish shop assistant, but the call of adventure or a better income prompted him to join the Navy on a 12 year service (initially!). On first entry he was recorded as 5’3” tall, with brown hair and brown eyes, growing to 5’6”, joining HMS VIVID II on 20th April 1914 as a Stoker 2nd Class. He stated his birth year on this form as 1896, making him 18, instead of the actual 16. His service record spanned 2 World Wars with an incredible tale in the middle of it…..
HMS VIVID - 29/04/1914 – 29/07/1914
HMS ISIS - 30/07/1914 - 04/03/1917, rising to Stoker 1st class on 30th March 1917
HMS DOLPHIN - 05/03/1917 - 05/04/1917
HMS MAIDSTONE - 06/04/1917 - 30/06/1917
HMS LUCIA - 01/07/1917 - 22/08/1917 (posted to HM SM C34) - It was in the mid afternoon on the 17th July 1917 that the submarine was torpedoed by German U Boat U 52, at 3:46 hrs Berlin Time. All lives were lost aboard the British vessel, except Frank’s - he was rescued from the water and wreckage and taken prisoner and was noted in German records as saying “ You won the game”. Initially unknown that he was interred at Brandenburg, the Admiralty were informed via letter from his Aunt Mary following receipt of a letter to the family on the 23rd August from the War Prisoners Aid YMCA in London
(see pics).
DOB - 20th March 1898
Place of Birth - Cornwall
Parents - Son of Richard Scoble and Katie Terrill
Early History -
Rank - Stoker 1st Class, (Dev) K 22307,
Service History -
Born to parents Richard Scoble and Katie Terrill, Frank was actually registered as John Francis Scoble, born on 20th March 1898 (although all Navy documents and the 1939 register date the year as 1896). The second of 3 children, he had an older brother Richard and younger sister named Edith.
He was recorded on the 1901 census living with his parents and brother Richard in Redruth, Cornwall, aged 3, but by 1911 the family had been separated by tragedy. His mother Kate had died in the March quarter of 1902 (in childbirth?) - with the possibility of their father Richard not being able to cope with 3 growing children, Richard, Frank (as he was known by then) and Edith lived with their Aunt Mary and her large family.
On leaving school Frank worked as a fish shop assistant, but the call of adventure or a better income prompted him to join the Navy on a 12 year service (initially!). On first entry he was recorded as 5’3” tall, with brown hair and brown eyes, growing to 5’6”, joining HMS VIVID II on 20th April 1914 as a Stoker 2nd Class. He stated his birth year on this form as 1896, making him 18, instead of the actual 16. His service record spanned 2 World Wars with an incredible tale in the middle of it…..
HMS VIVID - 29/04/1914 – 29/07/1914
HMS ISIS - 30/07/1914 - 04/03/1917, rising to Stoker 1st class on 30th March 1917
HMS DOLPHIN - 05/03/1917 - 05/04/1917
HMS MAIDSTONE - 06/04/1917 - 30/06/1917
HMS LUCIA - 01/07/1917 - 22/08/1917 (posted to HM SM C34) - It was in the mid afternoon on the 17th July 1917 that the submarine was torpedoed by German U Boat U 52, at 3:46 hrs Berlin Time. All lives were lost aboard the British vessel, except Frank’s - he was rescued from the water and wreckage and taken prisoner and was noted in German records as saying “ You won the game”. Initially unknown that he was interred at Brandenburg, the Admiralty were informed via letter from his Aunt Mary following receipt of a letter to the family on the 23rd August from the War Prisoners Aid YMCA in London
(see pics).
Letter from Frank's Aunt Mary informing Admiralty of his capture - National Archives
Brandenburg Prison of War camp (Brandenburg An Der Havel) was a camp 40 miles west of Berlin. Many Royal Navy and merchant sailor's of various nationality's were held here. Most prisoners would arrive at the camp via barges on the river Havel.
Image courtesy of John Priestley and Gosport Submarine Museum.
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Above: Brandenburg Prison of War Camp . British Sailors at Brandenburg in winter of 1916/17
(Folkstone, Hythe, Sandgate & Cheriton Herald 28th July 1917)
Image courtesty of John Priestley and Gosport Submarine Museum.
Service history continued.....
HMS DOLPHIN - 23/08/1917 - 13/11/1918
HMS PRESIDENT V (POW) - 14/11/1918 - 31/01/1919, repatriated to the United Kingdom in 1918
HMS DOLPHIN - 01/02/1919 - 20/10/1919
HMS LUCIA (L18) - 21/10/1919 - 25/05/1922 - It was while stationed at the submarine depot ship that Frank was awarded his Star, Victory and British war medals. He also married Lottie Bryant in the December of 1920 in Plymouth.
HMS MAIDSTONE (H22) - 26/05/1922 - 30/06/1923 - while stationed here Frank became a father for the first time, to a girl, Joyce, born in June 1922.
HMS MAIDSTONE (??6??) - 01/07/1923 - 14/01/1924 - Frank again became a father, to a son, Frank Jnr.
HMS MAIDSTONE ( ???) - 15/01/1924 - 29/05/1924, rising to Acting Leading Stoker
HMS DOLPHIN - 30/05/1924 - 06/06/1924
HMS DOLPHIN (H34) - 07/06/1924 - 02/12/1924, rising to Leading Stoker on 15/01/1925 and Acting Stoker Petty Officer on 10/07/1925
HMS MAIDSTONE - 03/12/1924 - 07/09/1925
HMS VIVID II - 08/09/1925 - 30/09/1925
HMS HOOD - 01/10/1925 - 29/04/1927, rising to Stoker Petty Officer on 10/07/1926
HMS VIVID II - 30/04/1927 - 30/06/1929 - While stationed here Frank was sent his Long Service Medal, on 7th June 1929
HMS VIVID II - 01/07/1929 - 16/09/1929, as Acting Mechanician.
HMS DEVONSHIRE - 17/09/1929, rising to Mechanician on 01/07/1930.
HMS VIVID II - 09/09/1931 - 22/02/1932
HMS COMUS (CERES) - 23/02/1932 - 11/05/1932
HMS COMUS (CALYPSO) - 12/05/1932 - 26/08/1932
HMS LUCIA - 27/08/1932 - 31/12/1933
HMS DRAKE II - 01/01/1934 - 16/08/1934
HMS LUCIA - 17/08/1934 - 22/12/1935, as Acting Chief Mechanician on 02/09/1935
HMS DRAKE II - 23/12/1935 - 19/04/1936 - Frank left the Navy having been pensioned after his service and had a few quiet years before the Second World War broke out. He was noted on the 1939 Register, living at 86 Royal Navy Avenue, Plymouth, with his wife and brother in law, who was a Regulating Petty Officer within the Royal Navy, just a few days before rejoining the Navy.
He returned to HMS DRAKE II as Acting Chief Mechanician on 25th September 1939, becoming Chief Mechanician on 2nd February 1940. He moved to HMS KENYA on 28th August 1940, returning to HMS DRAKE II on 14th March 1941 where he was promoted further to Acting Warrant (temp) Mechanician on 1st May 1941. His service continued after 1941 but unfortunately we have not got the remainder of his records which are now held with the Ministry of Defence.
Not much is known of Frank’s life after both wars. He celebrated his 79th birthday in 1977 and passed away just a week later, having had a life well lived.
Sources:
FreeBMD
General Register Office
1901 & 1911 England Census
National Archives ADM 137/3709
1939 Register
Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 National Archives Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services; Class: ADM 188; Piece: 911
Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 National Archives Admiralty: Royal Navy Seamen's Services Continuous Record (CR) Cards; Class: ADM 363; Piece: 39
Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 ADM 171; Piece: 114
Ancestry.com
Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 ADM 171; Piece: 149
www.forces-war-records.co.uk
Researched by Wendy Sadler
Crew Lost
Name - INGLEBY Stuart Jefferson
DOB - 7th January 1893
Place of Birth -
Parents - Son of Dr. William Dixon Jefferson and Mary Stuart Gray
Early History -
Rank -Lieutenant
Ingleby was born on 7th January 1893 to Dr William Dixon Jefferson and Mary Stuart Gray and studied at Aysgarth School, situated in the parish of Newton le Willows, recorded aged 8 during the 1901 census.
He entered service in the Royal Navy on 15th September 1905 and was posted as a Midshipman on 15th May 1910, promoted to Acting Sub-Lieutenant on 15th September 1912, Sub Lieutenant a year later and Lieutenant on 15th January 1915.
He had a spell in hospital from 15th October 1914 due to appendicitis; was found fit and returned to service on 3rd November 1914. Just 3 days before his appointment to Lieutenant, on 12th January 1915, Ingleby found himself in the dockwaters at Immingham, rescuing a soldier of the Manchester Regiment when he fell into the water. With the water at a depth of 35 feet and in the peak of winter, Ingleby remained with and supported the soldier until a boat arrived to rescue them both. Ingleby was at the time serving with HM Submarine C21. For his gallantry and bravery, he was awarded a Bronze Royal Humane Society Medal.
He was a highly regarded officer - his service record in 1917 praised his character “a particularly keen and capable officer in every way” and was a keen sportsman, especially in boxing, football and swimming.
His Star, Victory and British medals were awarded to his father following his death.
He is remembered on a marble plaque in Ripon Cathedral - his Great Grandfather the Reverend William Gray, being Canon of the Cathedral (1829-1863) - as well as on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial.
DOB - 7th January 1893
Place of Birth -
Parents - Son of Dr. William Dixon Jefferson and Mary Stuart Gray
Early History -
Rank -Lieutenant
Ingleby was born on 7th January 1893 to Dr William Dixon Jefferson and Mary Stuart Gray and studied at Aysgarth School, situated in the parish of Newton le Willows, recorded aged 8 during the 1901 census.
He entered service in the Royal Navy on 15th September 1905 and was posted as a Midshipman on 15th May 1910, promoted to Acting Sub-Lieutenant on 15th September 1912, Sub Lieutenant a year later and Lieutenant on 15th January 1915.
He had a spell in hospital from 15th October 1914 due to appendicitis; was found fit and returned to service on 3rd November 1914. Just 3 days before his appointment to Lieutenant, on 12th January 1915, Ingleby found himself in the dockwaters at Immingham, rescuing a soldier of the Manchester Regiment when he fell into the water. With the water at a depth of 35 feet and in the peak of winter, Ingleby remained with and supported the soldier until a boat arrived to rescue them both. Ingleby was at the time serving with HM Submarine C21. For his gallantry and bravery, he was awarded a Bronze Royal Humane Society Medal.
He was a highly regarded officer - his service record in 1917 praised his character “a particularly keen and capable officer in every way” and was a keen sportsman, especially in boxing, football and swimming.
His Star, Victory and British medals were awarded to his father following his death.
He is remembered on a marble plaque in Ripon Cathedral - his Great Grandfather the Reverend William Gray, being Canon of the Cathedral (1829-1863) - as well as on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial.
Memorial to Lt. Jefferson in Ripon Cathedral. The date is shown as 21st July 1817 as this is when C34 was posted ''missing''
With thanks to Ripon Cathedral for the image
Leeds Mercury - Thursday 26 July 1917
RIPON NAVAL OFFICER.
REPORTED DEATH OF LOCAL DOCTOR’S SON.
Dr. and Mrs. Jefferson, North House, have received an official intimation the Admiralty that their elder son, Lieut. Ingleby Stuart Jefferson, R.N., was killed in action July 21st. Lieut. Jefferson was twenty-four years of age, and very highly esteemed by all who knew him. was educated at Aysgarth School, from there went to H.M.S. Conway, where he passed out first. He went Dartmouth for two years, and as a cadet for six months on H.M.S. Cumberland. He was midshipman on H.M.S. Shannon and H.M.S. Duke of Edinburgh, subsequently joining H.M.S. Orion. Since the outbreak the war Lieut. Jefferson has actively engaged Naval work, which gained for him the approval of his superior officers. He was an all-round athlete. He was a clever boxer, and represented the Navy in the annual match against the Army at football. He was a fine swimmer, and held the medal of the Humane Society for saving the life of a soldier.
RIPON NAVAL OFFICER.
REPORTED DEATH OF LOCAL DOCTOR’S SON.
Dr. and Mrs. Jefferson, North House, have received an official intimation the Admiralty that their elder son, Lieut. Ingleby Stuart Jefferson, R.N., was killed in action July 21st. Lieut. Jefferson was twenty-four years of age, and very highly esteemed by all who knew him. was educated at Aysgarth School, from there went to H.M.S. Conway, where he passed out first. He went Dartmouth for two years, and as a cadet for six months on H.M.S. Cumberland. He was midshipman on H.M.S. Shannon and H.M.S. Duke of Edinburgh, subsequently joining H.M.S. Orion. Since the outbreak the war Lieut. Jefferson has actively engaged Naval work, which gained for him the approval of his superior officers. He was an all-round athlete. He was a clever boxer, and represented the Navy in the annual match against the Army at football. He was a fine swimmer, and held the medal of the Humane Society for saving the life of a soldier.
Sources:
England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 - FreeBMD
1901 England Census RG13; Piece: 4604; Folio: 101; Page: 4
De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, 1914-1919
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
CWGC Register
UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 ADM 171; Piece: 90
Navy Lists, 1888-1970
UK, Royal Naval Officers' Service Records Index, 1756-1931
UK, Royal Naval Officers' Service Records Index, 1756-1931
https://www.lsars.org.uk/site/medal-rolls.php#close
britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
Researched by Wendy Sadler & Kevin Heath.
England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 - FreeBMD
1901 England Census RG13; Piece: 4604; Folio: 101; Page: 4
De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, 1914-1919
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
CWGC Register
UK, Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 ADM 171; Piece: 90
Navy Lists, 1888-1970
UK, Royal Naval Officers' Service Records Index, 1756-1931
UK, Royal Naval Officers' Service Records Index, 1756-1931
https://www.lsars.org.uk/site/medal-rolls.php#close
britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
Researched by Wendy Sadler & Kevin Heath.
Name - DAWE Charles Henry
DOB - 27th October 1894
Place of Birth - Poxwell, Dorset
Parents - William and Annie
Early History - Charles was the third of four children recorded on the 1901 census, living in a cottage in Poxwell with his labourer father and mother
Rank - Leading Signalman (Dev) J 10018
Service History - Charles joined the Navy for 12 years service, beginning his training as a Boy 2nd Class
HMS IMPREGNABLE - 11/10/1910 - 31/03/1911
HMS GANGES - 01/04/1911 - 12/01/1912, rising to Boy 1st Class on 21/08/1911, Charles was recorded at the Suffolk training base during the 1911 census
HMS VIVID I - 13/01/1912 - 06/03/1912
HMS TALBOT - 07/03/1912 - 02/04/1912
HMS VIVID I - 03/04/1912 - 14/06/1912
HMS THUNDERER - 15/06/1912 - 13/09/1913, rising to Ordinary Signalman on 27/10/1912 and Signalman on 10/04/1913
HMS VIVID I - 14/09/1913 - 23/09/1913
HMS VIVID II - 24/09/1913 - 26/06/1916, while attached to HMS Submarine C34 marriage banns were declared between Charles and Violet Eva Smith, during November and December 1915 before marrying on 03/12/1916
HMS DOLPHIN - 27/06/1916 - 08/08/1916
HMS ARROGANT - 09/08/1916 - 27/11/1916, rising to Leading Signalman on 09/08/1916
HMS DOLPHIN - 28/11/1916 - 31/03/1917
HMS MAIDSTONE - 01/04/1917 - 30/06/1917
HMS LUCIA - 01/07/1917 - 21/07/1917
His pension was awarded to his widow Violet, along with his Star, Victory and British war medals. He is remembered on the Plymouth Naval Memorial
Sources:
England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 Free BMD
1901 & 1911 England Census
Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services; Class: ADM 188; Piece: 667
Dorset, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 Dorset History Centre; Dorchester, England; Reference: PE/OSM: RE 5/1
England, Select Dorset Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1999
British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Admiralty: Naval Casualties, Indexes, War Grave Rolls and Statistics Book, First World War.; Class: ADM 242; Piece: 008 (1914 - 1919)
CWGC Register
Royal Navy and Royal Marine War Graves Roll, 1914-1919 TNA Series: ADM 242/8; Scan Number: 0076
WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 Western Front Association; London, England; WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers; Reference: 060/0251/DAV-DAW
Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 Class: ADM 171; Piece: 100
Researched by Wendy Sadler
DOB - 27th October 1894
Place of Birth - Poxwell, Dorset
Parents - William and Annie
Early History - Charles was the third of four children recorded on the 1901 census, living in a cottage in Poxwell with his labourer father and mother
Rank - Leading Signalman (Dev) J 10018
Service History - Charles joined the Navy for 12 years service, beginning his training as a Boy 2nd Class
HMS IMPREGNABLE - 11/10/1910 - 31/03/1911
HMS GANGES - 01/04/1911 - 12/01/1912, rising to Boy 1st Class on 21/08/1911, Charles was recorded at the Suffolk training base during the 1911 census
HMS VIVID I - 13/01/1912 - 06/03/1912
HMS TALBOT - 07/03/1912 - 02/04/1912
HMS VIVID I - 03/04/1912 - 14/06/1912
HMS THUNDERER - 15/06/1912 - 13/09/1913, rising to Ordinary Signalman on 27/10/1912 and Signalman on 10/04/1913
HMS VIVID I - 14/09/1913 - 23/09/1913
HMS VIVID II - 24/09/1913 - 26/06/1916, while attached to HMS Submarine C34 marriage banns were declared between Charles and Violet Eva Smith, during November and December 1915 before marrying on 03/12/1916
HMS DOLPHIN - 27/06/1916 - 08/08/1916
HMS ARROGANT - 09/08/1916 - 27/11/1916, rising to Leading Signalman on 09/08/1916
HMS DOLPHIN - 28/11/1916 - 31/03/1917
HMS MAIDSTONE - 01/04/1917 - 30/06/1917
HMS LUCIA - 01/07/1917 - 21/07/1917
His pension was awarded to his widow Violet, along with his Star, Victory and British war medals. He is remembered on the Plymouth Naval Memorial
Sources:
England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 Free BMD
1901 & 1911 England Census
Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services; Class: ADM 188; Piece: 667
Dorset, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 Dorset History Centre; Dorchester, England; Reference: PE/OSM: RE 5/1
England, Select Dorset Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1999
British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Admiralty: Naval Casualties, Indexes, War Grave Rolls and Statistics Book, First World War.; Class: ADM 242; Piece: 008 (1914 - 1919)
CWGC Register
Royal Navy and Royal Marine War Graves Roll, 1914-1919 TNA Series: ADM 242/8; Scan Number: 0076
WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 Western Front Association; London, England; WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers; Reference: 060/0251/DAV-DAW
Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 Class: ADM 171; Piece: 100
Researched by Wendy Sadler
Name - EDWARDS Arthur
DOB - 5th December 1889
Place of Birth - Hackney, London
Rank - Able Seaman, (Ch) 238353
Service History - Arthur worked a job as a brush maker before joining the Navy as a Boy 2nd Class on 8th March 1907, signing up for 12 years of service. He was recorded as being 5’3” tall with brown hair, blue eyes and tattoos of a swallow on the back of his right hand, clasped hands and a scar on the inside of his right forearm.
HMS GANGES - 08/03/1907 - 17/07/1907, rising to Boy 1st Class on 08/06/1907
HMS LONDON - 18/07/1907 - 15/11/1907
HMS NATAL - 16/11/1907 - 10/01/1908, rising to Ordinary Seaman on 05/12/1907
HMS THAMES - 11/01/1908 - 29/01/1909
HMS PEMBROKE - 30/01/1909 - 12/02/1909
HMS ROYAL ARTHUR - 13/02/1909 - 26/03/1909
HMS HYACINTH - 27/03/1909 - 02/06/1911, rising to Able Seaman on 01/11/1909
HMS PEMBROKE I - 03/06/1911 - 08/09/1911, serving aboard HMS HYACINTH Arthur, aged 21 was recorded on the 1911 census at Bombay, East Indies
HMS ACTAEON - 09/09/1911 - 20/01/1914
HMS PEMBROKE I - 20/01/1914 - 02/02/1914
HMS ST GEORGE - 03/02/1914 - 31/03/1914
HMS ORION (serving on HMS CHERWELL) - 01/04/1914 - 02/11/1914
HMS LEANDER (serving on HMS CHERWELL) - 03/11/1914 - 02/03/1915
HMS VIVID II (serving on HMS CHERWELL) - 03/03/1915 - 20/03/1915
HMS PEMBROKE I - 21/03/1915 - 13/05/1915
HMS SHANNON - 14/05/1915 - 08/02/1917
HMS DOLPHIN - 09/02/1917 - 19/03/1917
HMS MAIDSTONE - 20/03/1917 - 30/06/1917
HMS LUCIA (serving with C34) - 01/07/1917 - 21/07/1917
On 25th March 1917 while serving with HMS MAIDSTONE Arthur married Esther Purser at All Saints Church, Hackney. His Star, Victory and British war medals were awarded to his widow of four months following his death, as was his pension.
DOB - 5th December 1889
Place of Birth - Hackney, London
Rank - Able Seaman, (Ch) 238353
Service History - Arthur worked a job as a brush maker before joining the Navy as a Boy 2nd Class on 8th March 1907, signing up for 12 years of service. He was recorded as being 5’3” tall with brown hair, blue eyes and tattoos of a swallow on the back of his right hand, clasped hands and a scar on the inside of his right forearm.
HMS GANGES - 08/03/1907 - 17/07/1907, rising to Boy 1st Class on 08/06/1907
HMS LONDON - 18/07/1907 - 15/11/1907
HMS NATAL - 16/11/1907 - 10/01/1908, rising to Ordinary Seaman on 05/12/1907
HMS THAMES - 11/01/1908 - 29/01/1909
HMS PEMBROKE - 30/01/1909 - 12/02/1909
HMS ROYAL ARTHUR - 13/02/1909 - 26/03/1909
HMS HYACINTH - 27/03/1909 - 02/06/1911, rising to Able Seaman on 01/11/1909
HMS PEMBROKE I - 03/06/1911 - 08/09/1911, serving aboard HMS HYACINTH Arthur, aged 21 was recorded on the 1911 census at Bombay, East Indies
HMS ACTAEON - 09/09/1911 - 20/01/1914
HMS PEMBROKE I - 20/01/1914 - 02/02/1914
HMS ST GEORGE - 03/02/1914 - 31/03/1914
HMS ORION (serving on HMS CHERWELL) - 01/04/1914 - 02/11/1914
HMS LEANDER (serving on HMS CHERWELL) - 03/11/1914 - 02/03/1915
HMS VIVID II (serving on HMS CHERWELL) - 03/03/1915 - 20/03/1915
HMS PEMBROKE I - 21/03/1915 - 13/05/1915
HMS SHANNON - 14/05/1915 - 08/02/1917
HMS DOLPHIN - 09/02/1917 - 19/03/1917
HMS MAIDSTONE - 20/03/1917 - 30/06/1917
HMS LUCIA (serving with C34) - 01/07/1917 - 21/07/1917
On 25th March 1917 while serving with HMS MAIDSTONE Arthur married Esther Purser at All Saints Church, Hackney. His Star, Victory and British war medals were awarded to his widow of four months following his death, as was his pension.
Arthur's signature from his marriage certficate
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1911 England Census
Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services; Class: ADM 188; Piece: 423
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; London Church of England Parish Registers; Reference Number: P79/ALS/015
England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 General Register Office; United Kingdom; Volume: 1b; Page: 569
British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Admiralty: Naval Casualties, Indexes, War Grave Rolls and Statistics Book, First World War.; Class: ADM 242; Piece: 008; (1914 - 1919)
CWGC Register
Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 Class: ADM 171; Piece: 101
Royal Navy and Royal Marine War Graves Roll, 1914-1919 TNA Series: ADM 242/8; Scan Number: 0247
WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 Western Front Association; London, England; Pension Record Cards; Reference: 066/0292/EDW-EDW
Researched by Wendy Sadler
1911 England Census
Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services; Class: ADM 188; Piece: 423
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; London Church of England Parish Registers; Reference Number: P79/ALS/015
England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 General Register Office; United Kingdom; Volume: 1b; Page: 569
British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 National Archives of the UK; Kew, Surrey, England; Admiralty: Naval Casualties, Indexes, War Grave Rolls and Statistics Book, First World War.; Class: ADM 242; Piece: 008; (1914 - 1919)
CWGC Register
Naval Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1972 Class: ADM 171; Piece: 101
Royal Navy and Royal Marine War Graves Roll, 1914-1919 TNA Series: ADM 242/8; Scan Number: 0247
WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 Western Front Association; London, England; Pension Record Cards; Reference: 066/0292/EDW-EDW
Researched by Wendy Sadler
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Hampshire Chronicle - Saturday 28 July 1917
ROLL OF HONOUR
N.C.O.'s and MEN.
Petty Officer Frank Joseph Head, Royal Navy. Mr. and Mrs. Head, of 14, Romsey- road, Winchester, received a communication from the Admiralty on Thursday that their son, Frank Joseph Head, Petty Officer, who was serving in N Submarine "C 34," which, according to a German official announcement, has been sunk by the enemy, must be regarded as having lost his life. Enclosed with the Admiralty communication is a letter from Sir Edward Carson, who says, "The King commands me to assure you of the true sympathy of his Majesty and the Queen in your sorrow." Petty Officer Head, who was about 30 years of age, and the eldest of three sons, had been fifteen years in the Navy. He served four years in the Mediterranean, and two commissions on the China station, where he was when the war broke out. He was on the Formidable with Lord Charles Beresford, and one of his China commissions was on the King Alfred. while his first commission was on the Speedy. He recently passed the examination for war- rant rank, but had not been gazetted. Petty Officer Head, who was not married, was home in Winchester on short leave six weeks ago. The two other sons of Mr. and Mrs. Head are in the Army-one in a Batta lion of the Hampshire Regiment in India, and the other in the Berkshires; the latter was wounded in France a little while ago, but not so seriously as to permanently in- capacitate him.
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Hampshire Chronicle - Saturday 28 July 1917
ROLL OF HONOUR
N.C.O.'s and MEN.
Petty Officer Frank Joseph Head, Royal Navy. Mr. and Mrs. Head, of 14, Romsey- road, Winchester, received a communication from the Admiralty on Thursday that their son, Frank Joseph Head, Petty Officer, who was serving in N Submarine "C 34," which, according to a German official announcement, has been sunk by the enemy, must be regarded as having lost his life. Enclosed with the Admiralty communication is a letter from Sir Edward Carson, who says, "The King commands me to assure you of the true sympathy of his Majesty and the Queen in your sorrow." Petty Officer Head, who was about 30 years of age, and the eldest of three sons, had been fifteen years in the Navy. He served four years in the Mediterranean, and two commissions on the China station, where he was when the war broke out. He was on the Formidable with Lord Charles Beresford, and one of his China commissions was on the King Alfred. while his first commission was on the Speedy. He recently passed the examination for war- rant rank, but had not been gazetted. Petty Officer Head, who was not married, was home in Winchester on short leave six weeks ago. The two other sons of Mr. and Mrs. Head are in the Army-one in a Batta lion of the Hampshire Regiment in India, and the other in the Berkshires; the latter was wounded in France a little while ago, but not so seriously as to permanently in- capacitate him.
Name - KEITH, Robert Allan (39),
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Portsmouth Evening News - Friday 23 July 1920
IN MEMORIUM
KEITH - In ever loving remembrance of Robert Allan Keith, who lost his life in H.M. Submarine C34.—From his loving wife and children. Still sadly missed.
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Portsmouth Evening News - Friday 23 July 1920
IN MEMORIUM
KEITH - In ever loving remembrance of Robert Allan Keith, who lost his life in H.M. Submarine C34.—From his loving wife and children. Still sadly missed.
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Name - PLAYFORD, William George (23),
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Name - ROSER, Walter Michael Joseph (27),
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Name - SILLICK, Harold Bertram (29),
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Western Morning News - Saturday 28 July 1917
ROLL OF HONOUR.
SILLICK Lost on C34 submarine, July 22nd. Harold Bertram Silleck, beloved husband of Mary Silleck lat of Malta. In great sorrow.
SILLECK Lost on C34 , July 22nd. Harold Bertram Sillick, only son of the late W.J. Sillick, late H.M.S. V????? and Mrs. Sillick, Albany House, ‘St. Budeaux. Deeply mourned.
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Western Morning News - Saturday 28 July 1917
ROLL OF HONOUR.
SILLICK Lost on C34 submarine, July 22nd. Harold Bertram Silleck, beloved husband of Mary Silleck lat of Malta. In great sorrow.
SILLECK Lost on C34 , July 22nd. Harold Bertram Sillick, only son of the late W.J. Sillick, late H.M.S. V????? and Mrs. Sillick, Albany House, ‘St. Budeaux. Deeply mourned.
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Name - STRINGER, George William (24),
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Mid Sussex Times - Tuesday 21 August 1917
Mid Sussex Men Who Died For The Empire.
Stringer, Leading Seaman George W (lost at sea)
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Mid Sussex Times - Tuesday 21 August 1917
Mid Sussex Men Who Died For The Empire.
Stringer, Leading Seaman George W (lost at sea)
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www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
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Gosport
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Submariners Memorial at Gosport Submarine Museum. - Photo LiWD
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The Royal Navy Submarine Memorial, The Embankment, London - Photo LiWD
